megk
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Post by megk on Feb 22, 2013 12:34:06 GMT -5
I can see the plus/minus for each option, but the Connaught JK FDK option does give all the incoming JKs (guess is 60 kids) access to daycare. So that is 60 kids who don't need daycare elsewhere in the neighbourhood for 2013/2014 school year.
Daycare is a nightmare for all the Devonshire students, regardless of the interim solution. Those about to leave the SK program at Connaught at the end of the summer have no daycare program to move into. The Hintonburg Community Center option is first-come, first-served every Spring. They are not planning on offering more spots in the fall (I spoke with them in January). Even if I'm lucky enough and fast enough with my technology when the registration opens at the 10pm start time, it only means I've potentially taken a spot from another kid who needs it just as much and who might have already been there.
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Post by cwhitehead on Feb 23, 2013 8:15:43 GMT -5
I talked to Deb, our principal, on Thursday morning. She didn't have the enrolment numbers yet, they were supposed to come from the board planning office Friday. She also clarified that the decision on how the cohort is divided into classes is done by planning, not her. Currently there are 3 JK classes and 4 SK classes at Devonshire. The class cap is 20 for Juniors, and up to 10% of Junior classes in the whole board can be up to 23 (not the 26 I mentioned before), so it makes sense that planning takes care of figuring that out. In the mean time, she passed on the idea to our Superintendent, Susan MacDonald. Deb recognizes that this scheme would save some money (1/2 a teacher's and an ECE's salary) but was concerned that there wouldn't be enough buy-in from parents to make a viable class. I identified 4 categories of parents that would be interested: siblings at Dev, spot at DSAP, geographically unlikely to be at Connaught long-term, prefer 1/2 day program. Granted there is a lot of overlap there, but I'm pretty sure we could find 20 kids to fill a class. My assumption is that any space this frees up at Connaught could be used for daycare space as the board sees fit. Just for clarification, does Connaught currently offer Extended-day care to its JK/SK kids, or is this part of the change for September? I'm trying to understand how adding extended-day needs any additional space - would the FDK kids not just stay in the classes they already occupy from 8:30-3:00 (or whatever the school day is at Connaught)? I will be writing to our Trustee about this and sharing with DSAP board members. I'll report more when I hear it.
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Post by nmcgill on Feb 23, 2013 12:42:41 GMT -5
Hello Chris,
It is dangerous to make assumptions on what the daycare scenario will be like at Connaught. I talked to Eleanor Heap at the OCDSB. She is the manager of the early learning program and will oversee how the programs of Connaught daycare will unfold for fall. Until the trustees make their decision, there will be no formal planning nor guarantees of what daycare programs will be offered. Parents will only find out starting in March.
"Assume nothing" is the safest option.
What is most disconcerting about the staff recommendation is that it begs more questions than it answers.
It is crucial for working parents to note that FDK doesn't cover the full work day; it only covers the school day. The extended day care portion of full-day kindergarten is the portion that addresses 'after school' care, and while FDK is "free', extended day care is not. It is directly related to parent demand. The ratio of early childhood educators to students also plays a factor.
Therefore, the scope of extended day program at Connaught (as with any other FDK school) is determined by parents if they respond in a timely manner (as set by the OCDSB) and ideally, if the number of students needing care fits well with ECE ratios (much like it does for kindergarten classes and other daycares themselves). There are minimum and maximum numbers for a program to run and to expand. The current ratio employed by the school board is 20 children maximum for one ECE. Theoretically, a program won't be run if, say, only seven children need a certain type of care, or a program may be rounded down to the lower component of 20 if an awkward number of children need care.
I'd recommend that parents of incoming JKs (2013-14) that will be directed to Connaught for FDK and who need additional childcare beyond FDK, ask the following questions:
1. What type of extended day care will be available to the JKs who are moved to Connaught for fall 2013? For example, will it cover PD Days, March Break and/or the summer?
2. What is the deadline by which parents have to decide on their preferred extended day care options?
3. Can one choose part-time care or choose PD Days, March Break and summer on an 'as needs basis"? If so, will care for those days be cancelled due to lack of demand?
4. What will be the approximate cost of the extended day program?
5. When can parents expect to be informed that their child has or has not been accepted into the extended day program at Connaught?
I'll be addressing this and other issues at the School Council meeting on Tuesday, as well as presenting DSAP's (Devonshire School age Program) position. We will be presenting a delegation to the trustees on March 5th and we will recommend to keep the JKs at Devonshire.
Best, Nichole
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Post by michelle on Feb 23, 2013 17:29:46 GMT -5
Hi Nichole,
Did I read your last sentence correctly on today's 12:42 pm post? That the presenting delegation (on behalf of Devonshire) will recommend against moving JK's to Devonshire? Is this ALL incoming Jk's or the ones with siblings?
My husband and I have a little girl entering JK. We support JK's who have siblings to remain at Devonshire, however, we are quite happy and prefer to move to Connaught for FDK.
We will then take it upon ourselves to work with Connaught and Hintonburg Community Center in hopes that an after school option will emerge for the parents requiring this option.
Looking forward to your clarification. Thanks! Michelle
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Post by nmcgill on Feb 23, 2013 19:24:47 GMT -5
Hi Michelle,
To clarify, I was speaking about the parent board of the Devonshire School Age Program, which does not represent all Devonshire parents or even the interests of the interim solutions group. We have a delegation to speak on behalf of our program and the children and families of the program who are affected by this recommendation. We are not in support of the staff recommendation.
Vicky Smallman would know best if there is an opinion that is being put forth by the Interim Solutions Group. It also will likely be a topic at Tuesday's School Council meeting and I'll be there to explain DSAP's position and answer questions.
While there has been talk among parents about splitting the JKs and keeping JKs with older siblings at Devonshire and sending the rest to Connaught, I haven't yet heard an OCDSB representative state that this would be a feasible option. In fact, they have stated the opposite. It's safer to assume that if the trustees decide to move the JKs, they will move all JKs, those with older siblings included.
The trustees can also choose the ignore the staff recommendation and come up with something completely different or choose another previously reviewed option. Fun times!
Perhaps, I'll see you on Tuesday.
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Post by jdonin on Feb 24, 2013 11:18:00 GMT -5
While I understand the position of the DSAP, it represents a minority of parents affected. I have voiced my support for the FDK solution because it would provide my daughter with the consistency of remaining in one school and not require mid-day transportation or integration into a second daycare program (if any are even available come the fall).
Has anyone else made a formal request to present as a delegate? If we have opposing views coming from one school community, we should try and ensure these views are all presented in a clear way.
Judith
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Post by megk on Feb 24, 2013 14:20:34 GMT -5
Judith, the Devonshire parents' group response is here: devonshireparents.wordpress.com/accommodation-review/feb-4-devonshire-parents-respond-to-interim-solutions/But for the interim solution, there was no joint response considered. Every parent was regularly and routinely encouraged to provide their individual feedback before the Feb. 6 deadline. The staff took all that feedback into consideration before making their recommendation to the trustees. It is important to remember the trustees make the final decision and the needs and wants of the downtown based trustees can differ from the trustees outside the core of Ottawa. That is why nothing is set in stone and as Nichole mentioned - they may come up with their own solution. I have no idea how much the fiscal element plays in their decision making too. There are many schools in desperate need of renovations, many schools in the suburbs who are equally crowded, so it is hard to know how they will view the proposed solution.
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Post by jdonin on Feb 24, 2013 15:56:09 GMT -5
Hi Meg,
I fully understand and agree with your comments. I did submit my support for our parent response before Feb. 6th. I am just wondering if we need, or already have, a representative to speak as a delegate at the trustees meeting in support of our recommendations.
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Post by megk on Feb 24, 2013 17:24:22 GMT -5
There are a number of speakers scheduled. I don't know what they are each saying. They have to submit by Feb 28. Please come to the council meeting this week and it will be discussed. I don't know if school council will be just present the doc I linked to or not. When/if I receive what parents plan to say, I will post it to the Devonshire Parents web page.
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Post by jdonin on Feb 24, 2013 19:41:22 GMT -5
I will. Thanks Meg!
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Post by marthadulmage on Feb 25, 2013 8:42:27 GMT -5
While the specific concerns of the DSAP only affect 10 kids, Nichole raises a number of issues that would affect anyone hoping to have extended care at Connaught. The staff recommended solution only really works well for a minority of families - those that will likely end up at Connaught in the long term solution and that dont need to depend on an extended day program for after school care (not to mention PA days, march break, etc). We live in a neighbourhood that would not end up at Connaught in any future scenario (either Devonshire or another school) so my son could potentially go to 3 schools in his first 3 years of schooling, if the interim becomes 2 years. In fact even those who will likely end up at Connaught could have moves back and forth if the long term solution isn't in place until 2015.
I think we relly need to push for moving the grade 6s, together with those from Elmdale. As a taxpayer I am disgusted that they would spend $150,000 to install a new hydro pole that would be needed for potentially only one year in order to add a portable at Elmdale. That would buy an awful lot of school supplies.
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Post by michelle on Feb 26, 2013 13:27:24 GMT -5
Regarding daycare concerns: I just spoke with Michelle at Connaught to better understand the implications for before and after care should Devonshire JK's be moved. She has confirmed that since transitioning to FDK at Connaught the school will provide space for before and after school care for all JK students as long as there is a need of at least 20 children. This is part of the original McGuinty Plan, see more information here on this policy: www.edu.gov.on.ca/kindergarten/whathappensbeforeandafterschool.htmlConnaught's current daycare is a "third party" providers but apparently this will change this Fall and the administration of daycare will be with the school board. With the projected new JK numbers they will use two classrooms and the ECE for FDK will be used for before care and they will hire an additional ECE for the after school care. There is no first come / first serve nor is there a waiting list. (I am feeling better already). Should the March 5th meeting agree to move JK's from Devonshire to Connaught, then the process is simply to fill out an "Extended Day Care Form" to indicate your preferences (before/after or both). You will not be denied. This is not the City of Ottawa's Centralized Waiting List. Fees are similar to the current OCDSB Extended program and are approx. $20 for both before and after. PD & March Break is $32/day. Note this can vary between schools and that information can be found here : www.ocdsb.ca/programs/ExtendedDayProgram/Pages/default.aspxI hope this helps answer some of the questions. Michelle
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Post by megk on Feb 26, 2013 13:54:32 GMT -5
Thanks Michelle. That is indeed what I understand will happen if the interim solution is to accept the JK FDK solution and move all of the Devonshire JKs to Connaught FDK program.
So, for the parents hoping for the JK FDK solution, above is what you might expect. Note, Summer Programs are not necessarily offered, it depends on demand.
The issues the JK solution raises are: 1. What happens to the current Devonshire JKs using the Connaught daycare? Will they lose their daycare spots for their children in SK for the 2013/2014 school year? 2. What happens to the Connaught daycare in September 2013, when the Connaught daycare and their extended day care will be managed by the OCDSB, therefore the nature and structure of the care provided will change. 3. What happens to the Devonshire daycare program (DSAP) if the JKs are moved (Nichole McGill will discuss this tonight).
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Post by michelle on Feb 26, 2013 14:51:35 GMT -5
All good questions Meg!
Regarding Devonshire SK for 2013, are they full-time for SK? I don't know if they will loose the space or be grandfathered a space (I doubt the latter).
I did speak to Hintonburg Community Centre today and they have 70 spaces for after school care on a first come, first serve basis, starting sometime in May. They meet children at both schools (I am sure you know this already)
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Post by megk on Feb 26, 2013 14:56:10 GMT -5
Sadly, Devonshire remains 1/2day until 2014, so the Devonshire SK for 2013/2014 school year will require 1/2 daycare in Sept. 2013.
I have previously spoken to Hintonburg Community Centre to see if they would look into expanding their program, but they lack qualified staff and have a hard time getting the staff they currently have.
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