megk
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Post by megk on Oct 18, 2013 11:32:54 GMT -5
The official scenarios that will be presented to the public for consideration are attached. Please send written comments to: NearWestReviewPublicComments2@ocdsb.ca Christopher and Lil will also monitor this thread for any comments posted here. Thank you.
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Post by buschman on Oct 18, 2013 11:53:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the information and the slides.
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Post by karinaroman on Oct 18, 2013 12:12:02 GMT -5
i can't open the document. do you have it in another format?
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Post by megk on Oct 18, 2013 12:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by karinaroman on Oct 18, 2013 12:44:21 GMT -5
thanks Meg! i went there and can open that one.
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Post by karinaroman on Oct 18, 2013 13:12:39 GMT -5
I am all for concept C, even though my children would have to cross Parkdale and go under the underpass there. the "shape" of the catchment shouldn't concern a school board that has long had much more nonsensical boundaries than that one. Not making use of "space" at Fisher to me is a red herring. Because the "space" there is not appropriate for young children and there isn't time nor money to make it so (and as James said "do it well.") The major concern with this scenerio is how it effects Elmdale and the portable situation. I can't speak for the parents and children there, of course. I see that the idea of a small JK-6 EFI program at Fisher, just for Elmdale overflow is no longer on the table. In terms of capacity, I would not have any problem with my kid (once she gets to that age) going to grade 6 at Fisher. So if that variation makes this solution more workable, I'm all for it. I just think we should be going with a solution where even if the board is slightly nervous about numbers and unpredictability (isn't unpredictability the spice of life?),it's a solution that makes best use of an elementary school already in our neighbourhood. A school that has no issues with fencing, security or playgrounds. There is no perfect solution, but this is as close at it gets with what the working group had to work with. The weaknesses in Scenerio A are, to me, much much stronger (as weaknesses go) than the weaknesses in Scenerio C (not all strengths or weaknesses are created equally!) A mega 1000-pupil school is not what I envision for a neighbourhood school, especially one that was built as a high school and for which there are so many unanswered questions about how it would work. And it leaves Connaught under capacity, which makes no sense. Finally, in terms of the dual track question and air quality concerns. I think the worries over single vs. dual track are overblown. Even my friends who have their kids at French schools say English plays a big role on the playgrounds and in the lunchrooms during recess/lunch. But I think the air quality issue is a concern to some because our kids have young lungs and will spend their recesses and lunchtime etc beside the queensway, day in and out for years. Most of us who have homes very near the queensway (and I am one of those) are at work or away from the house most of the day, as our our kids (at school). We also have the choice to open and close our windows etc. And we made the decision to buy this house, knowing how close it is to the queensway (but knowing at the time that the elementary school was not beside it!). I feel for the parents who live nowhere near the highway but now have the prospect of having their kids in a playyard right beside it every day.
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Post by cwhitehead on Oct 21, 2013 22:23:19 GMT -5
Board staff will be printing proposed catchment maps, projected enrolments and the SWOTs for these 3 "options" tomorrow, so I'll make sure they get posted as soon as there's an official version (there seem to be some glitches in some numbers). Elmdale has made it clear in the last few months that they don't want to be sent to Fisher unless Devonshire is sent there too. They are also saying that they would prefer if 4-6 went to Fisher rather than 6 alone. I don't see that making any sense for families that currently live east of Connaught. Status quo projections show Devonshire needing 6 more classrooms by 2016 and Connaught having 8 to spare. I'm optimistic that there will be some way of figuring out how to use Connaught's space for young kids in the current Devonshire catchment. I should say that we have not spent a lot of time discussing boundaries so far: if something makes more sense, please suggest it.
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Post by markscrivens on Oct 22, 2013 10:43:50 GMT -5
I'm going to use some coded language because I'm not sure that I'm authorized to pass this along, but FWIW I was speaking with a very experienced Devonshire school employee recently who expressed to me deep concerns about sending elementary school kids to Fisher. I think the term she used was that the idea is "nuts". It was her view the school is simply not built for kids that age, and that Connaught is such a natural choice.
I was a little surprised and disappointed that she had such a negative view, because I've tried to prepare myself for the possibility that our kids will end up at Fisher. But I guess it confirmed my sense that we should continue to push hard for the Connaught option (I know that many people are of that view already).
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Post by james on Oct 23, 2013 10:40:58 GMT -5
... but FWIW I was speaking with a very experienced Devonshire school employee recently who expressed to me deep concerns about sending elementary school kids to Fisher. I think the term she used was that the idea is "nuts". It was her view the school is simply not built for kids that age, and that Connaught is such a natural choice. ... And this is the opinion I have arrived at as well. To give another benefit to the Connaught scenario 'C', is also the age of the institution. It is essentially a new school rebuilt in the 1990's and so essentially will meet most current building code requirements, and be asbestos and lead paint free. Devonshire (1910ish) and Fisher Park (1947ish) predate all current building codes and will have lead paint that may or may not be covered (or still re-covered), and asbestos probably used in various parts of the construction. At Devonshire we recently discovered that the ductwork had never been cleaned until the disastrous cleaning after the 2012 renovations. This is even when the board had to know there was a high likelihood of contamination of the ductwork from earlier construction and renovations that would have taken place before lead paint and asbestos were a health concern for adult staff (regulated by the ministry of labour) much less children (not regulated). Note that the board was careful to test and report on the environment only after the clean up was done and not to test what actually came out of the ductwork to determine if there were existing health concerns. I would expect a similar situation to exist at Fisher Park regarding the ductwork. I would suspect that Connaught is also superior when it comes to fire suppression and smoke handling especially in stairwells. For earthquake requirements the board does not require its schools meet the life safety requirements of the current code, but instead only the code they were built under. In the case of Fisher and Devonshire they predate the National Building Code, and in any case my understanding is that building codes that provided an acceptable level of seismic life safety requirements did not appear until the mid/late 1970's. Compare this to the federal guidelines that require federal buildings to meet 60% of the current building codes seismic life safety requirements and you can see how far behind the curve our schools actually are -if you work for the fed's in all likelihood your work environment is much safer than your kids. If you are concerned about Queensway air quality and outdoor fencing then you should be considering these factors as well. In my opinion given we typically do not have a choice to which school we could send our kids, so if the board is potentially open to sending more kids to a safer environment designed for their age group I think we should take advantage of it, so I vote for option 'C'. BTW I have a few other comments that I won't reiterate over at 'Working group update -early October'. Jamie Bruce
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Post by megk on Oct 23, 2013 12:03:28 GMT -5
I like Option C the best. The schools being close to capacity/at capacity is ok with me. I think we can't look longer than 4-5 years given the unknown growth of the neighbourhood. I'd vote to keep grade 6 at their current schools as long as possible. If capacity is reached in 3+ years, let's implement the grade 6 to Fisher plan then. I'd rather see time and energy spent getting Connaught set-up for EFI properly.
Another reason I'd like to keep grade 6 at their current schools are because some areas of the Devonshire catchment might be better suited to going to Glashan for 7 & 8 now that they have EFI. Those kids will be going to Glebe highschool, so it would give them a chance to meet the students they will be in highschool with.
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Post by megk on Oct 23, 2013 15:19:50 GMT -5
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